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"If she could just get down to using only her brain stem, she'd be cured.
This would be somewhere beyond happiness and sadness.
You don't see fish agonized by wild mood swings.
Sponges never have a bad day."

--from Choke by Chuck Palahniuk

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Date: 2002-11-20 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emu72.livejournal.com
Well you can stoop to their level, or do what I do, ignore them.

Indifference is key.
They are looking for a reaction, if you give them none they are faced with what they are doing, but they can rationalize on a dime.

Personally, I think it must be a horrible way to live, being one!
To never have it within yourself to feel good about yourself without having exterior people validate you... sad.
We all have our down days, when we need picking up, reassurance, etc.
Can you imagine what it's like to live in that state perpetually?

Crazy sad!

Date: 2002-11-20 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motherevol.livejournal.com
Oh, man, did you hit the nail on the head. No matter what I say, I am to blame or somebody else in her field of vision is.

On top of that though, she suffers from extreme mood swings, ranging between episodes of acute euphoria (mania) and severe depression. Aka: bipolar/maniac disorder. If she isn't verbally attacking somebody in this condo, she's depressed and having random crying jags.

Gah! It is horrible to see somebody's mind give up on them, but its even worse to actually be knee deep in their shit too. If misery loves company then I would prefer to be by myself.

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Date: 2002-11-20 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emu72.livejournal.com
to see somebody's mind give up on them

Do you mean she wasn't always like this?

Date: 2002-11-20 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motherevol.livejournal.com
I think a lot of her illness was hidden/masked by being married to a verbally abusive alcoholic (my daddy). She would have "episodes", but they were predominately directed toward his irresponsibilities and his own addiction. At the time, it seemed justafiable. I was too young to recognize the difference. She was like this even when he wasn't home/around/after the divorce/yadda yadda.

In retrospect I can see traces of her mental meltdown, but being away from her for over 8 years, it seems like a sudden switch in personality/emotions. It has always been this way, but I didn't know how to read the signs when I was a teenager in the '80s. Thank the gods for getting educated. ;)

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Date: 2002-11-21 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blustocking.livejournal.com
Very, very true. But if they don't really see what they're doing, or really care how it affects someone else...the whole rationalization thing, then I would imagine it's not as hard. So many people, losing, or never learning, how to empathize.

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Date: 2002-11-21 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emu72.livejournal.com
It seems to me a very sad and lonely existance.

I do feel for them, this one girl in particular, but I can't get near, they're toxic to me.

Tho I have a very hard time accepting that they can't be "helped". I have a hard time accepting that sort of hopelessness. I think everyone is capable of growing, some are just slower than others.

;)

I know I am!!

S... L....O....W

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Date: 2002-11-22 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blustocking.livejournal.com
I know. I almost refuse to believe that people can't change. Gets me in trouble.

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